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Lord Raiden Woof?

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Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 12:29 pm Post subject: Realm project: 5 part Linux training course |
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Ok, here's a project that I think the Realm should do and I'd love to get help from you guys on constructing it, because once it's done, I plan to release it for everyone to use.
There will be 3 parts to the course packet.
1. A powerpoint presentation for each lesson. (Yes, we all hate powerpoint, but OO can run them and they are useful teaching tools)
2. A PDF "handout" that can be either printed, or handed out to people on a CD. This must be easy enough that a total newb can use it, yet advanced enough that we're not insulting more experienced users by dumbing it down too far.
3. A CD and/or DVD with a distro of choice on it, or possibly a dvd with several. Maybe even have a stack of them, and let the user choose based on the type of machine they have. We might even need a selection to fill numerous different needs. So we'd have to figure out what that list of distros would be.
Now, of the above choices, we can either go for an all in one inclusive newbies course, or we can do it in levels. IE, complete newb, user with experience, and power user looking to switch.
This also has to be teachable by as many people as possible. Because when we're done, I want others to be able to take this and teach it in their communities and schools.
The five courses I was considering, each of which should be about an hour for just the lecture, or 3-4 if hands on is included are:
1. What is Linux and how can it benefit you?
2. Introduction to Linux distros (teach them about the various distros and their advantages, history, etc)
3. Introduction to FOSS (teach them about free software, the principles behind it and it's benefits)
4. Installing Linux
5. Troubleshooting Linux and FOSS.
That's the basic outline. Feel free to chew on it, suggest changes, adjustments, additions, etc.
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bigbearomaha Regular
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Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 12:00 am Post subject: |
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It is interesting you bring this up.
For a while now, I have been mulling over the notion of doing something similar under the auspices of a Business Linux User Group ( yeah, I know it leads to being called a BLUG, but it could work.)
In BEL Project forums, I am offering to work with people to create a similar 'teachable' or group experience or presentation where using a community conference room such as in a local library, etc.. one could set up a couple computers, laptops, etc in various configurations, ( ie a server, a workstation , etc..) using different distros.
In BEL Project, this could be a 2 hour presentation where they listen to information for the first part and get hands on for the second part.
I think your idea has merit, applied, I assume toward the home or student user as opposed to the business or school admin we work with.
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ClareOldie Extreme User

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Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 6:33 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | 1. A powerpoint presentation for each lesson. (Yes, we all hate powerpoint, but OO can run them and they are useful teaching tools) |
I don't follow the reasoning.
Why not use OO to generate the presentation?
Surely an OPEN format is what should be used which allows all apps to run it regardless of operating system. Once generated it can easily be converted to any proprietary format needed .....
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Lord Raiden Woof?

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Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 11:29 pm Post subject: |
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OO can do a native slideshow, or powerpoint. I simply call it powerpoint because that's what everyone knows them as. It's like saying "bandaid" and everyone knows what it is, even though that's actually a brand and not a name.
Anywho, I'm not gonna be able to tackle this till monday, but if you guys have ideas on what to do to get this started, by all means, chime in.
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Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 5:32 pm Post subject: |
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This isn't my Realm , and I'm the new guy besides, so I'm going to shoot off my mouth-- and then I'm going to get behind your project.
1. Every Linux book begins with a chapter entitled "What is Linux?", and then starts out telling you how to install it. I would go to these books knowing what Linux is, and already having it installed. So I would skip over these parts, and I find that I was lost, because so much basic information has been mixed in with the dull rote stuff. There are many many places to find this info, I'd skip over that stuff very quickly.
2. Get ready to throw vegetables at me. Ready? The command line, man! (ducks!)
We need a desktop user's guide to the commnad line. Everyone who has ever written a guide to the CLI is a programmer or a system administrator, and even some of these people don't seem to understand how helpful the CLI can be to an everyday end-user. We need a desktop user's guide to the commnad line. Everyone who has ever written a guide to the CLI is a programmer or a system administrator, and even some of these people don't seem to understand how useful the command line can be to an everyday end user. It is vastly misunderstood and maligned, and so much easier to use than people think. It's also a big part of the desktop, in that every GUI that's worth anything employs shell commands in keyboard shortcuts and desktop launchers.
I stumbled along for two years in Linux out of sheer stubbornness before I forced myself to use the CLI to organize my porno collection. I figured if I'm going to spend time with something this stupid, I was going to learn something. It was the moment when Linux suddenly made sense.
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Lord Raiden Woof?

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Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 5:39 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, those are good ideas. But this is more an introduction than anything. The "What is Linux" books that toss you right into the OS without any background info just don't work unless you're a techie type. I'm taking it from the soccer mom/average joe perspective. IE, they're "users" but aren't tech savvy, so they need to be brought in the door at the bottom level and understand what this stuff is. We take a lot of it for granted, but they don't. Kind of a "show, don't tell" perspective to teaching.
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Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 2:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Lord Raiden wrote: | | ... I'm taking it from the soccer mom/average joe perspective. IE, they're "users" but aren't tech savvy, so they need to be brought in the door at the bottom level and understand what this stuff is. |
Let's do a bit more to describe the audience and their typical use environments and applications.
I think soccer mom needs to be expanded to include soccer dad, soccer boy, and soccer girl. O.K., that was a bit facetious, but there is a point to this. Not only can we be more objective about the needs of a well-defined audience, we can also consider the social environment where such people will share on computer related topics.
While you may not be intending to do in-depth lessons on a bunch of applications, you will want to cover the operating system issues that are most often encountered with key applications. So along with various types of people, also list out those key applications and usages. You can then objectively list out the operating system issues they will face most.
And, it would seem that the online social networking sites are drawing more and more people, so that seems like a necessary area of discussion.
A list, such as the following, could include ideas on what is of interest to different types of people and at what level they would want topics addressed.
- Connecting to the rest of the World
- Web browsers
- Email
- IM
- File Transfer, Sharing (Copyright issues), on-line storage
- (Technical Notes) How deeply do you want to discuss network settings, since most basic users will find that default DHCP settings cover most of what they need.
- Connecting elsewhere in the household
- Connecting to portable devices
- Mobile phones
- Cameras
- Picture frames
- Music players
- (Technical Notes) At the O/S level there, some is about file systems, but not all.
- Creating content
- Word Processing
- Presentations
- Photo Editing
- Scanning
- (Technical Notes) At the O/S level this is mostly about file systems, though scanners have their own tools.
- Working At Home
- Office Email
- Home Accounting
- VPN
Note that I've deliberately gone overboard with this list, but it, or one like it, should be expanded until every area has way too much in it, along with relevant notes about the audience. Then and only then, it should be trimmed back to ensure that the essential topics remain.
Overall, I'm excited to see a project like this. I've written and given technical courses for technical people, and I've also had many good experiences tutoring non-technical people. So, I'm glad to see something that is more than just another set of tutorials or another book. That's not to say that the individual sections shouldn't stand up on their own, but it's nice to see something that will designed for a lecture/classroom interaction.
Thank you so much for starting this.
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Lord Raiden Woof?

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Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 4:13 pm Post subject: |
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Holy homework, batman! Tesser, that's awesome! I've been looking into a way to outline the whole project, and you have a great outline to start with that we could work off of!
On the technical notes one, maybe just an overview of wired vs wireless networking would work. USB networking blows in Linux, and pretty much every OS, so we'd advise them to avoid that at all costs.
Under Samba we may want to cover security, as well as creating an intro to the desktop where we could cover desktop basics, window managers/desktop environments, and basic usage.
Under the "connecting portable devices", you might want to cover, albeit briefly, file systems, since those will affect how portable between OS's their devices will be. Maybe give the advantages and disadvantages of them, where and when they can be used, and maybe why they'd want to care. We're not talking about a complete file system 101, but rather just "here's the basic, most common file systems and why you should be concerned with them." A full filesystem 101 would then be built into course 2, which would be somewhat of the intermediate intro stuff, the things that "minivan mom" wouldn't care about, but the more tech savvy might.
This part 2 could also have some kind of "maintenance" section, with a brief intro to this in part 1, and a bit more in depth version in part 2.
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Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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Ponder it a bit; there's a lot to consider.
| Lord Raiden wrote: | On the technical notes one, maybe just an overview of wired vs wireless networking would work. USB networking blows in Linux, and pretty much every OS, so we'd advise them to avoid that at all costs.
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The technical notes are really for all of the items in that section, which is why I put them in parenthesis. The items in the section are really a listing of what users will be interested in, even if they are not discussed in detail, while the technical item is really just a brief suggestion (at this point) about the kinds of details that may need to be covered to address those other items.
| Lord Raiden wrote: | Under Samba we may want to cover security, as well as creating an intro to the desktop where we could cover desktop basics, window managers/desktop environments, and basic usage.
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Shouldn't each section have a bit on the security that applies to that area (along with reminders about how security is a process and not a product)?
| Lord Raiden wrote: | Under the "connecting portable devices", you might want to cover, albeit briefly, file systems, since those will affect how portable between OS's their devices will be. Maybe give the advantages and disadvantages of them, where and when they can be used, and maybe why they'd want to care...
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Yes, there would defininately have to be discussion of the dreaded alien FAT. And, this applies to many USB connected devices, not to mention the issues with memory cards like.
| Lord Raiden wrote: | | This part 2 could also have some kind of "maintenance" section, with a brief intro to this in part 1, and a bit more in depth version in part 2. |
Hmmm. Since I was really only outlining activities that would be of primary interest to our audience, I really hadn't thought in terms of chores. Again, this was to be as objective as possible about the audience, and not those icky things that they're trying to avoid. However, we all know that the more expensive these little beasties we buy get, the more that we will have to do for the care and feeding of them. So, even though we should flag the deeper details a belonging in part 2, we should go ahead an add a section on "chores that people fear and where to get help".
Again, this still appears preliminary/preparatory to me. So, this outline is not yet about the actual content but about the areas of interest to the users. And, that should help the project remain objective.
Also, let's list out the possible venues where this class might be presented.
- hobby clubs
- community centers
- schools
- churches
Again, others should be helping expand these lists, since I'm only writing off the cuff at this point.
Please everybody add to this list.
But, such a list can help us get a better feel for the audience, their motivation, and the social environments where they may be interacting on such topics. I suppose that this might seem like overkill, but it while help create a complete, cohesive, and bloat-free product.
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Lord Raiden Woof?

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Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 10:56 pm Post subject: |
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Ok, been thinking this through and have taken your points, exploded some of them, and added to others.
- What is Open Source (get them started out immediately with this question.)
- Explanation of FOSS
- Open vs Closed Source
> use the cake analogy by explaining that closed source is a cake that's delivered fully ready to eat, but you're not told what's in it, or what flavor it is, only that it's cake. Open Source tells you what's in it, gives you the recipe for you to change if you want to, or proof read it for errors, and allows you to choose if you want to make the cake yourself, or let someone else do it.
- Freedom vs Corporate/Vendor Lock-in
> Not sure what message about software freedom we could go with here, but one needs to be said.
- Types of Open Source
> OS's like Linux, browsers like Firefox, etc.
- How can it benefit you (here we go into your little diatribe about uses)
- Connecting to the rest of the World
- Web browsers
- Email
- IM
- File Transfer, Sharing (Copyright issues), on-line storage
- (Technical Notes) How deeply do you want to discuss network settings, since most basic users will find that default DHCP settings cover most of what they need.
- Connecting elsewhere in the household
- Connecting to portable devices
- Mobile phones
- Cameras
- Picture frames
- Music players
- (Technical Notes) At the O/S level there, some is about file systems, but not all.
- Creating content
- Word Processing
- Presentations
- Photo Editing
- Scanning
- (Technical Notes) At the O/S level this is mostly about file systems, though scanners have their own tools.
- Working At Home
- Office Email
- Home Accounting
- VPN
- Intro to Linux and Open Source OS's
- Resources to learn more
- resource 1
- resource 2, etc.
The End. From there you have a little Q&A with them, and you're done. If executed properly, it'd make a good 2 hour lesson, as you don't need to go uber nerd with all the details. Just give them the basics, enough to wet their whistle, and we're golden. As for the extra resources, some places we could send them would be the FSF, here, Floss Manuals (for tutorial books) and any number of other groups. The resources themselves could all be given out as a single or double sheet handout, and touched on briefly, like "this is so and so, and here's what they're good for) and so on.
Now as for what you'd actually talk about in the individual areas, like samba, connecting devices, etc, we still have to work out. Once we have our talking points, I think we're pretty much done, save for maybe expanding this one step further into stuff that's more specific. The thing is, how specific do we get with a non-technical crowd, and how much do we say if we want to keep this all under 2 hours, counting Q&A (figure 90min for talking 30 for questions.)
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Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 11:04 am Post subject: |
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Very good.
Maybe the next level in a divide and conquer is to create a separate discussion thread for each section. We'd further subdivide the sub sections later as needed. And, each thread will need to be aware of the others, at least, with regards to style and flow, since we'll want the full collection of material maintain cohesiveness.
Then again, maybe it's too soon to divvy up the process, and a little more needs to be fleshed out here on this thread. The decision of when and how to divide is greatly a matter of how much participation we are getting versus how fragmented things might get.
Ya know, if the next version of phpBB wasn't giving you such headaches, I'd suggest looking for more of a Wiki environment. But, I think it will be interesting to see how things flow from this environment.
Maybe, as this grows, it would be worthwhile to have a front-page progress box for the project, giving it some prominence and standing as a reminder that participation would be good and healthy for the Realm.
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Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 2:13 pm Post subject: |
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On, second thought, let's write introductory paragraphs to each top-level section, and use a tone and wording that describes the areas of interest to our audience. Let's write it as if it's a brochure for the class.
I'll see if I can't do a bit of this today, but don't wait for me if you already have ideas that you can write out.
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Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 7:18 pm Post subject: |
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Ever notice how most school courses never cover the entire text book?
While I know we want to steer clear of more technical topics and keep the thing light and purposeful, I don't have a problem trimming things down if it grows a bit. I certainly won't have an ego crisis if my little pet pieces and rococo flourishes don't make the final cut.
Also, some people like having some take home reading if they have that kind of appetite. The notes section that goes with each page of a presentation doesn't have to include information only for the one giving the lecture (though you do want to make sure the lecturer's notes come ahead of any supplemental information).
I had one additional idea to keep in the back our heads if we should happen to end up with lots of surplus material. Since instructors often like to be able to cover only portions of the overall material, we could mark portions of content as being more relevant to specific portions of the overall audience. That is, it might be convenient that if an instructor was confronted with only soccer moms, no soccer dads, kids, or dogs (arf arf), then the this would make it easy to see which portions could be given less attention and detail. Then again, maybe some soccer moms relieve stress by firing up an FPS, going online, and fragging the neighbors kids (bang bang).
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Lord Raiden Woof?

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Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 7:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Also, some people like having some take home reading if they have that kind of appetite. |
Yeah, that's what the resources tidbit at the end is for. If they want to learn more, those links will give them the places they can go to get more information.
| Quote: | | Since instructors often like to be able to cover only portions of the overall material, we could mark portions of content as being more relevant to specific portions of the overall audience. |
Hmm, audience specific content is a good idea. It would require the speaker to figure out what his audience was beforehand in order to decide what route to take, but it could be done. It'd almost make the course extremely flexible, just like one of those "choose your own adventure" novels where you decide which direction the story goes. The trick then is to categorize the most likely 4-5 groups of people (this will require a bit of generalization, so we'll want to be careful how we do it so we don't generalize too far), and then build your lessons around each group. Some topics will be ambiguous, and will apply to all groups, others will apply only to one specific group. But yeah, it's doable, and may actually work better, as it'd allow the lesson to be flexible, and would keep people from hitting too much unrelated content, thus keeping them from being bored.
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